tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4854917240637353068.post7672766672793586267..comments2024-02-21T10:36:51.773+00:00Comments on Axe Birding: Lyme Black Red Update (Updated!)Steve Waitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02234938942274343663noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4854917240637353068.post-63427941118473788892011-11-23T17:17:33.223+00:002011-11-23T17:17:33.223+00:00Yes it does, very helpful. Thanks Steve.
Shame th...Yes it does, very helpful. Thanks Steve.<br /><br />Shame this bird isn't on the patch!Gavin Haighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17242398421328525578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4854917240637353068.post-87771233153677401242011-11-23T16:46:53.459+00:002011-11-23T16:46:53.459+00:00Hey Gav! Sounds like I'm gona have to get a bi...Hey Gav! Sounds like I'm gona have to get a bit technical...this often doesn't end well....<br /><br />Okay, when I said 'real McCoy' I was getting at it being one of these firt-winter female-type male Eastern Black Reds (ie not a paradoxus type) See <a href="http://birdingfrontiers.com/2011/11/21/eastern-black-redstart/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Basically a less advanced and way more boring example of the two beauts on the east coast at the moment!<br /><br />I learnt yesterday that one of the ways to rule out a RedstartxBlack Red hybrid (which could easily produce a bird that looks like a convincing Eastern Black Red) is the wing formula. As I see and read it, the gaps between primary 5-6 and 6-7 are pretty much equal in Common Redstart, where as in Black Red the gap beteen 6-7 is massive compared with 5-6. Apparently hybrids show a much more Common Redstart-like wing. <br /><br />Does that help? My brain hurts....Steve Waitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02234938942274343663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4854917240637353068.post-21427397443693059352011-11-23T00:16:08.633+00:002011-11-23T00:16:08.633+00:00Steve, when you say 'is this the real McCoy...Steve, when you say 'is this the real McCoy' and that the wing formula would 'pretty much clinch it', are you referring to clinching its identity as a Black Redstart as opposed to a Black x Common hybrid, or do you mean something else...something more...er...sub-specific?<br /><br />As an aside (and you'll have to be patient with me on this one as I've not had a chance to chat with you about it) would you be kind enough to explain why Dave's photo rules out a hybrid? I assume it's a wing formula thing, but as a non-ringer I haven't a clue what I should be looking at. I can't be the only one who read your caption of Dave's photo and thought "OK Stevie, if you say so!"Gavin Haighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17242398421328525578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4854917240637353068.post-34739171790961280932011-11-22T16:58:50.582+00:002011-11-22T16:58:50.582+00:00Hey Karen - thanks for the comment. Yeah, even th...Hey Karen - thanks for the comment. Yeah, even though I haven't a real clue - that's where I would put my money. Although why the big pale wing flashes?? Unless it has hybridised with a samamisicus!!Steve Waitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02234938942274343663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4854917240637353068.post-19789460009458822512011-11-22T16:50:09.954+00:002011-11-22T16:50:09.954+00:00I know what you mean about the head and face, I th...I know what you mean about the head and face, I think it looks more like that of a Common Redstart, so probably a hybrid?Karen Woolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18433932165517479993noreply@blogger.com